A Podcast Called INTREPID

Discussing and debating Canadian national security law and politics

Ep 49 Loose Lips That Could Have Sunk Ships

Stephanie and Craig are back for season 2 of "A Podcast Called INTREPID". In this first episode of the new season, we catch up on developments in August, and then look forward to things that will be happening in national security law and policy world this Fall. We begin by discussing the Jeffrey Delisle case -- the espionage case from earlier in this decade, now back in the news because Mr Delisle was released on parole in August. We talk about the nature of his spying, the investigation into it, the criminal law issues, and the policy matters they raise (including, of course, intelligence to evidence, and the supplemental "graymail" issue of espionage trials). We then talk briefly about the Five Eyes ministerial statement, "Statement of Principles on Access to Evidence and Encryption", released in August. We think this is a bit of a 'nothingburger' in terms of furthering the debate on encryption and the "going dark" issue. And of course, we can't start off the new season without talking about August's Saudi Arabia meltdown. We offer thoughts this on what this event might say about Canada's foreign intelligence needs. We end the podcast talking about things we'll be watching this Fall: developments with bill C-76 (election law and security) and C-59 (the major national security law overhaul); the first National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians report (out soon); and two trials (Abdelrazik civil lawsuit against Canada and the Norman criminal trial). Thanks for joining us again for INTREPID and we hope to keep earning your listening time.